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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2008, 12:44:29 PM »

Being as I misspelled "tassel" above, I will admit to having only one color.  So, I have to do the best I can with the limited knowledge I have.  I have a blue cap as well but I lost the tassel somewhere.  Wait a minute, I never got the tassel...

Might Revelation 19:20,21, tie into the texts in question here?  Might not a "religious theme" be a precurser to these events?  And yes, Galatians 3:29 suggests that God's people are Abraham's seed.  Not just Americans...

As for you and I, we, with Daniel, will stand in our lot in the last day, I believe.
Hi Johnny C,
I believe the first three are the subject at hand. The fourth should be apparent afterward.

So, to properly arrive at the first three, one must transcend 2:45. Have you done this? (Please tighten hat...)

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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2008, 12:56:07 PM »

Can't do it without getting a big head...

That would be Rome.  Iron and clay do not mix...

Do you think the sequence of kingdoms mentioned in 2:45 is significant?  I'm not certain that it is.  Might be a matter of translation?..
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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2008, 01:11:45 PM »

Can't do it without getting a big head...

That would be Rome.  Iron and clay do not mix...

Do you think the sequence of kingdoms mentioned in 2:45 is significant?  I'm not certain that it is.  Might be a matter of translation?..

Hi Johnny C,
--Please check hat for tassel. (Big black ears don't count.)--

The sequence IS significant, otherwise it's like the mechanic with "extra parts left over". You can drive it if you want, but I'll take my own car.

All translations agree.

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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2008, 01:31:18 PM »

What if I drive slow?  On second thought, what kind of car do you have?..

I'm of the understanding the gold was the first, the silver second, the brass third and the iron fourth.  Then the ten kingdoms of iron and clay which do not nor will ever mix.  No peace until they all get blown away as chaff in the wind.
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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2008, 01:54:53 PM »

What if I drive slow?  On second thought, what kind of car do you have?..

I'm of the understanding the gold was the first, the silver second, the brass third and the iron fourth.  Then the ten kingdoms of iron and clay which do not nor will ever mix.  No peace until they all get blown away as chaff in the wind.
Hi Johnny C,
If I drove a Yugo, you'd still be better off in my car.

I can't help your expectations, I can only count parts. If there's five com'in out, there'd better be five go'in back.

The questions are:
Are there FOUR world empire structures?
Are there FIVE world empires? -- The last which uses the Republic/representative structure of the fourth. --
Is this FIFTH a "divided" empire?

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« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2008, 01:58:57 PM »

There are ten divisions for ten toes, yes?  I find it interesting how the iron is mixed into them all, until the end it seems.
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« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2008, 02:20:32 PM »

There are ten divisions for ten toes, yes?  I find it interesting how the iron is mixed into them all, until the end it seems.
Hi Johnny C,
I doesn't do any good to grab the steering wheel, say "varoom, varoom", and pretend we are there. The car really has to start, and we really have to drive down the road first.

Please check -hat-.
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« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2008, 02:29:21 PM »

It might be good if you 2 would quit talking about cars, and talk about the subject... I'm getting lost... lol
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« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2008, 02:59:58 PM »

It has been said that America is the "second Israel".  This, of course, is not biblical but, as goes this nation, so goes the world, right?..  Might there be some association with the ecology and a united religious movement of some sort?  That's just for starters.  To "break the ice" so to speak... 

Are you talking about the flat cap with the tassles?..

check this article out. i ran across this in my studies, it is quite interesting as the author points out some scripture not usually looked at for prophecy. it basically implies that America is the New Jerusalem, based on our civil liberty to worship freely, and safely.
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« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2008, 03:00:27 PM »

http://www.moseshand.com/studies/pitts.htm
opps! heres the link
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« Reply #70 on: April 09, 2008, 03:29:07 PM »

I'm always checking my hat as it serves to keep hair out of my face...

I don't concern myself so much with just which ten kingdoms the ten toes represent.  What concerns me is that Rome seems to be a "part" of all of them...

And, I haven't done the "varoom, varoom" thing since my little brother had his GTX with a 440 in it.  He finally wrapped it around an orange tree with the FHP, close on his tail, as a witness.  Little brother was fine.  He was buckled up for safety...
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« Reply #71 on: April 09, 2008, 03:33:38 PM »

It has been said that America is the "second Israel".  This, of course, is not biblical but, as goes this nation, so goes the world, right?..  Might there be some association with the ecology and a united religious movement of some sort?  That's just for starters.  To "break the ice" so to speak... 

Are you talking about the flat cap with the tassles?..

check this article out. i ran across this in my studies, it is quite interesting as the author points out some scripture not usually looked at for prophecy. it basically implies that America is the New Jerusalem, based on our civil liberty to worship freely, and safely.
Hi Milleradam37,
Please allow me to suggest that if one can't grasp the obvious, they probably shouldn't attempt the obscure.

Please remove the tall conical headwear.
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« Reply #72 on: April 09, 2008, 03:39:49 PM »

I'm always checking my hat as it serves to keep hair out of my face...

I don't concern myself so much with just which ten kingdoms the ten toes represent.  What concerns me is that Rome seems to be a "part" of all of them...

And, I haven't done the "varoom, varoom" thing since my little brother had his GTX with a 440 in it.  He finally wrapped it around an orange tree with the FHP, close on his tail, as a witness.  Little brother was fine.  He was buckled up for safety...
Hi Johnny C,
Please remove tall pointy hat from head.  Please loan to little brother.

I'm not sure I can help your fixation with (10), unless we resolve the (5) first. 

-- Maybe keep tall pointy hat for yourself, and buy another one for little brother. --

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PS Maybe trade flat hat for pointy hat for little brother. It wasn't getting much use anyway.
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« Reply #73 on: April 09, 2008, 03:46:13 PM »

Flat hat is stashed in cedar chest. 

Four are history already.  What's with the 5th?  Are they coming back around or what?..
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« Reply #74 on: April 09, 2008, 03:57:54 PM »

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Hi ForceMajuere,
It appears that your logic is absent for some, and contradictory for others.

1) Consider your 4,3,5,2,1 answered.
I can consider that the sun has quit shining, but that doesn't make it so. Neither have you answered the 4,3,5,2,1.

2) you are 'extrapolating' a meaning based on the current geopolitical situation.
Why is it that world history doesn't apply for the 1900s, but apparently applies for the 1800s: This country was 1st the domain of the 3 Horns(England, France, and Spain) and through conquest and aquisition came into it's own. 

3) Remember, (Rev. 13:2) "And the beast which I saw is like unto a leopard".
This is FALSE. You have only provided 1/3 of the truth, and by implication, have misrepresented the fact that this "beast" has THREE components, which are the concurrent 3-wonder-powers, as represented by the FOURTH one-world-government.

4) Britain, France, and Spain all owe their existance to Rome-they were Roman colonies. This is a historical fact-do you care to argue?
Yes I do chose to argue with your point. -- Nearly ALL government in the world today have a representative form of government which is based upon the ROMAN Republic. To select an arbritrary three, misrepresents that truth.

5) it is not a kingdom,
I really don't think that parsing words benefits this discussion. If you don't want scripture to refer to a President/Prime-Minister/Chancellor/etc., as a "king", then I really don't think I can solve that problem.
So too for nations, empires, and "kingdoms"...


I will leave you to answer 4,3,5,2,1...

With Best Regards,
DaDad

1) Again-4,3,5,2,1 doesn't matter, if the entire Statue is crumbling and falling apart. However, if it works for your interpretation-fine.

2) Since your interpretation requires extrapolation of the current geopolitical situation, that's OK, too. And if the current geopolitical situation changes radically, as it has in the last 20 or so years, that's OK, too. Just change your interpretation to accomodate the current geopolitical situation.

3) I can't change the words in my bible to mean something other than what it says. My bible says,"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."(Rev. 13:2)

So, when I describe 'him', I am describing a 'leopard-like' being, with a lion's mouth, and bear's feet. Hmm-where have I seen this before?

Oh yeah, in Dan. 7:4-6. Daniel is describing the 1st 3 beasts, who have the same features as Rev. 13:2. Could this be mere coincidence? Yeah, probably. Anyway, it doesn't fit the current geopolical situation so I'll just chuck it out the window and go with my instincts-it sounds more exciting than dredging up old forgotten kingdoms, anyway.

4) I think I went to a very good High School(the one that Al Franken attended), and they said with a certainty that England, France and Spain were all colonies of Rome. Whatever. Maybe it was just some 'revisionist' garbage-you know they'll tell kids anything, nowadays.

5) I guess the last point you could have a legitimate beef with. After all, I did say that the Holy Roman Empire, was neither particularly 'holy', nor 'roman', nor 'an empire'. But they did do a lot of intermarrying, that's my interpretation of "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is mixed with clay."(Dan. 7:43)  I believe that this is simular to,"and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand  on his side, neither be for him."(Dan 11:17)

Whatever, pick the meaning that works best for you.

Sincerely,
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