The PEOPLE of the Ruler to come.

[Teleiosis]

Preterism?

Oh really now!

Okay dee-dee, bring it on.  Show everyone the absolute confirmation of prophecy and history side-by-side, line-by-line and year-by-year which relegates the one 'seven' to the distant past.

Mark

My Dearest Teleiosis,

I can give you the intellectual evidence, but the HOLY SPIRIT confims it. So per your expectation, please see the HOLY SPIRIT!

(blah-blah-blah edited out for sake of brevity)

So "T", do you now agree with me that these are correctly intended as modern interpretations, (i.e., ~1948)? 

The real joke is how you came up with "1948." 
The next one is how you expect others to ring in agreement with you.

But the coup d'etat is your complete inability to show your work.

Lay out prophecy and history side-by-side.
If your work is worthy, the worker will be paid handsomely.

However, you expect payment (agreement) for doing nothing.

You have utterly failed to meet the challenge.

Mark

[DaDad]

Hi "T",

Do you have a threshold for showing work?  Is it five times,  ten times, or some other magical number?

Does history equally require the requisite repetition of the same information before you validate the consensus?


Are your inane posts even worth replying to?  (Oops, how'd that get in there?)


With Best Regards,
DD

[thinker]

Hmmmm...seems to be getting off the mark...what is needed to bring things back on course?

[Teleiosis]

You laid out nothing, zero, nada, zilch, and then are flippant about a number.

You sit on the sidelines and pop in on every discussion with your riddles and out-of-the-blue interpretations and then use them for the basis of ridiculing everyone else and saying you're correct.

You don't present your eschatology for a thorough review.
If it's as shaky as your "1948" revelation, I can see why.

But to top it off you're still rude and insulting.

...So it seems as if all the warnings I was given have been well warranted, and all I can conclude is not only are you not a worthy scholar, but moreover, you're not even serious enough to merit a reply.

Let us just say that I'll be ignoring you rather than engaging you from now on.  You don't present a problem per se, only arguing with you ad nauseam does that because some people might then equate me with you and even to the point of not being able to tell the difference between us; and that would be a problem for me.

Good day and good bye dee-dee.

Mark

[DaDad]

Hi "T",

Please help this conversation by picking any single point. I'll be more than glad to explain that position with all the scriptural and historical substantiation to defend the truth.

If however, you defer to my challenge to you, then for the ~third time, please explain your interpretation of Daniel 8 wherein you ascribe the Ram two "kings" as the Medo/Persian empire.  Please cite that dual monarchy.



A note to All,

I would propose that "T" likes to attack others -- dee-dee; joke; inability; utterly failed; rude; insulting; etc., -- but when provoked by one word (inane), he gets angry.  If he had a sound doctine he would be able to discuss his doctrine logically and with civility, but he doesn't. So you must understand that this is a defense mechanism wherein the technical discussion is distracted by personal attacks.



... continued response to "T":

Please either choose a point, or answer mine. 


WBR,
DD

[thinker]

I agree, systematic discourse can be helpful unless two sit at the table with divergent paradigms, whereupon the two must first find mutually acceptable rhetoric, basic premises, etc....which can be a tremendous amount of work and with so many interjected thoughts, interruptions, etc. this forum may be more than challenging to accomplish the above.

Take care,

[DaDad]

Dear Thinker,

However we are not without a firm basis, both in scripture (and thereby history) and the HOLY SPIRIT, who reveals all thing!

WBR,
DD

[tom]

A reference to the Holy Spirit revelation as the justification for a particular understanding of scripture liters mans history since the begining of time. 

All of us could make that claim of the HS conformation of our views.  Now if our heart is deceitful then we are surely right.

DD your words do not support your claim for an all knowing revelation.

That seems to be the problem.

Others present their thoughts and allow their views to be evaluated.

Time will confirm who has/had the better understanding.

Shalom

Tom

PS Can we now all get back to the topic instead of this display of the biggest donger thing.

[thinker]

Yes, yes, yes....

Back on topic is about the true identity of the "people" of the "prince" (ruler), which in turn helps identify the "prince".  Revisit, the earliest posting in this thread and the allied thread, "War Desolations" and it is quite easy to see the identity of the "people".

[DaDad]

To All,

... so I said: ~1948 ...

Does this help the "PEOPLE" towards this Topic?


And to Tom,
I was suggesting that some can find revelation through the HOLY SPIRT. I'm sorry if you can't!

WBR,
DD

[tom]

DD

You are right as always in your views.  A self believing man is hard to change even for you.

Now back to the topic

if that is possible

The events of 1948 is a sign post pointing towards when Jesus is coming a second time.

It filfills prophesies begining in Genesis to the end of Scripture.

There are now other prophesies that should now be considered to be the next sign post that we need.

Tom

[DaDad]

Dearest Tom

Although some would hold the christians as the heirs, I would maintain that the natural wil equally receive the inheritance.  Thus:  ... so I said: ~1948 ...

LOL,
DD

[thinker]

Dear DD,

Your posting is too vague since it is unexplained.  1948 (a year) is not a "people", it is merely a "date"...you will have to do better.

But as a guess as to some of your implications, most that hold the view that "Christians" are "coheirs" with Yahushua also hold the view that Jewish believers will also be coheirs with Yahushua.

Take care

Take care

[Maryam]

Dear Maryam (and others),

1. Keep in mind that the leader cannot come from Rome, they were excluded by John.

That is correct, and I didn't even get into all those verses about the Assyrian.

2. Islam does have leadership by and through the OIC (which is not the traditional spiritual type leadership, like the Caliphate or the Ayatollah).  They are on their 9th leader (if memory serves me correct).

Hmm...ok tell me more.

3. Keep in mind the "war desolations" includes many wars on Israeli real estate, but the "war desolations" are different than the "transgression desolation" (the image of the beast marks the next to last war desolation set up by the "prince" who comes from the "people" of the prince) which is different from the "abomination that causes desolation" that was "set up" in 691 AD to begin the 1290 + 1335 day/years count.  And finally, the Battle of Armageddon is the final "war desolation" decreed against the evil "prince".  He fights against Mashia, but Mashia defeats the prince, once and for all.

I have done small compilation of the "war desolations" if anybody is interested...I can post.

Take care,

I read something similar on Joel Richardson's blog (www.joelstrumpet.com) a long time ago which I agreed with whole-heartedly. Sure, post your compilation, I'm interested.

And to Teleoisis and DaDad (pote tha teleoisi aftos?) my challenge still stands:

Find me just one literal reference (yes that means mentioned by name) in the entire Bible to any nation that will be judged by Yeshua when He returns that is not Muslim.

Sorry I need a literal reference to change my view, if there's no literal reference to any land outside the Middle East then there's no point in looking for a figurative reference because I will never be able to validate it Scripturally.

[DaDad]

Dearest Maryam,

... there's no literal reference to any land outside the Middle East then there's no point in looking for a figurative reference ...

Goodnews.  It turns out that when Jesus returns, HE'll only rule and reign the historical european/asian/african regions of the world.  So we here in the western hemisphere, Australia, etc., can keep our hedonistic ways!  --  Is this what you mean, (Scripturally speaking)?

LOL
WBR,
DD