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« on: August 09, 2009, 06:17:59 AM » |
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He is a Prince. He is descended from King David. He is also a descendant of Muhammed funnily enough. His cousin was chosen to be king only because his father said that his kingdom will be of the whole world and it will last forever. He speaks several languages, including Hebrew. and there are many other things that fit the bill. He is keeping a very low profile at the moment. Could this be the man that gets assassinated only to have satan take over his body and make it look like the Prince came back to life when in reality the Prince will be dead and the devil will be possessing the Prince's body. Check out his website. http://www.elhassan.org/public/English.aspx?Lang=3&Page_Id=1268&M=73 |
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 04:34:28 PM » |
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Hi In2truth,
I read the article but found no mention of him being a descendant of Kin David.
Did I miss something there?
Otherwise he has all the right connections.
Hussein had not long ago selected his young son to be the heir.
Did you know that?
Not that he would be stopped by that, if he rose to power on the world scene.
I think the man is waiting on the sidelines though and not in the open at the moment.
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""I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward calling of God in Yeshua the Messiah"
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ronmorgen
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 04:55:27 PM » |
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Why does he have to be descended from King David"
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"This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:39
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 05:59:48 PM » |
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The Messiah Israel is looking for will need to be
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 06:17:16 PM » |
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I think the faithful Israelis are waiting for the true messiah and will recognize him in the end as per Zechariah 12.
But what Scripture says the Antichrist must be Jewish?
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped... 2 Thess 2:4
Sounds like he is atheist secular humanist.
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"This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:39
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 06:55:14 PM » |
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I think the faithful Israelis are waiting for the true messiah and will recognize him in the end as per Zechariah 12.
But what Scripture says the Antichrist must be Jewish?
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped... 2 Thess 2:4
Sounds like he is atheist secular humanist. Yes Ron, There will be those who recognise when He comes - Hallelujah! However, I am sure you are aware of a lot of prophetic scripture which is understood to mean that Israel accepts a false messiah first. Do you not accept that? It was on that basis that I would expect them to only accept one who is of the tribe of Judah and a descendant of King David to occupy that position as that is their present understanding of what they are looking for - apart from Messianic Jews, that is. Shalom |
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 07:17:48 PM » |
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However, I am sure you are aware of a lot of prophetic scripture which is understood to mean that Israel accepts a false messiah first.
No, I am not aware of such scriptures. Dumb me. Educate me.
Religious Jews are going to accept someone who opposes... everything that is called God?
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« Last Edit: August 09, 2009, 07:22:23 PM by ronmorgen »
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"This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:39
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 07:46:54 PM » |
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Hi In2truth,
I read the article but found no mention of him being a descendant of Kin David.
Did I miss something there?
Otherwise he has all the right connections.
Hussein had not long ago selected his young son to be the heir.
Did you know that?
Not that he would be stopped by that, if he rose to power on the world scene.
I think the man is waiting on the sidelines though and not in the open at the moment.
A friend last night told me that he is a descendant of King David, she has a video which apparently includes that, she'll be lending it to me soon. I didn't know that he had selected his son, but remember, being the King of Jordan is small time compared to being the king of the world. He may have offered the role to his son, for that very reason. Time will tell. It's getting closer all the time, especially with the latest information that Perry Stone revealed recently regarding 2012 and the chip. It's closer than most Christians believe. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 07:47:08 PM » |
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Hi Ron, I was thinking of the prophecies in Daniel 11:21-45 together with the little horn prophecies in Daniel 7 & 8. I am sure you are not ignorant of the interpretation upon these prophecies. If you think the fulfillment of these are past - that's fine by me. I would take the verses in Thessalonians as for believers as you have quoted it Ron Are you believing that there is no further tribulation ahead for israel? Hi in2truthA friend last night told me that he is a descendant of King David, she has a video which apparently includes that, she'll be lending it to me soon. I didn't know that he had selected his son, but remember, being the King of Jordan is small time compared to being the king of the world. He may have offered the role to his son, for that very reason. Thanks for that info! I had the same thought about the appointment of his son when I read the article as everyone expected him to choose elhassan. Yes, things are getting close! Time to watch and be sober! Blessings, grace |
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 07:54:43 PM » |
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Hi In2truth,
I think the man is waiting on the sidelines though and not in the open at the moment.
If you asked the secular world, aside from those in the middle east who EL Hassan is, chances are nobody would know. Waiting in the sidelines I think is relative. There will be people who will know of him regardless. He can't keep completely out of the media what with youtube etc. |
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ronmorgen
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 07:58:51 PM » |
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Thank you for the references Grace, I'll study them. As for tribulation for Israel, I would think having all the armies of the world attacking you would amount to tribulation. But why would they attack if Israel accepts the Antichrist? More likely they attack because Israel becomes a burdensome stone and refuses to join. Remember the scripture declares they are the nation that "keeps faith". Isaiah 26:2
Ok, I am familiar with Daniel 8, and 11 and It is about the so called Antichrist alright, but I don't see how anyone assumes that he's from Israel. I think someones putting a private interpretation on those chapters. Maybe you can show my how they make the connection.
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« Last Edit: August 09, 2009, 08:13:41 PM by ronmorgen »
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"This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:39
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 08:19:32 PM » |
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To both Ron and in2truth,
With the way we see things developing, it is not going to be long before we will see things clearer and are able to understand a lot of things which are just speculation now. We all might have some surprises to our well-studied and thought out interpretations.
I certainly hope Israel does not have any more to go through but I am not sure it will be so.
Blessings and thanks for the article in2truth.
I think it's good to keep our options open until such time as ...
Something that came to mind. It was Jordan that inaugurated the first Peace treaty through Arafat with Israel in 1994 and Jordan has been very vocal again about Israel. It may not mean anything, but just for the record. ...
He would make a good negotiator of a peace treaty between the two nations seeing the Palestinians were originally under Jordan.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 07:39:27 AM » |
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Ive never considered this fellow before but I think he is as good as any of the other candidates for this horrific job. There are 100's of men who we would find fit the bill if there lives were made public. Tracing there bloodline to the King of David is a assumption on all our parts. I think it will probably be so, But it is a assumption.
Finding a good candidate like this on the sidelines is a good example of how many men are out there that could be the false Christ.
When he reveals himself to the world, If we are still here I think we will find our guesses missed him by a mile!
CG
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ronmorgen
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 11:29:54 AM » |
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We shouldn't be looking for someone who pretends to be Christ, but someone who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Antichrist doesn't mean false Christ, it means against Christ and the teaching that Jesus is the Christ. There's a big difference. All atheists are antichrist, Muslims are antichrist.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:2
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"This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:39
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2009, 12:14:48 PM » |
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If this man is the antichrist then he doesn't fit the stereotype that I have in my head. I always pictured the antichrist to be a hot guy who can't do no wrong...I know that's shallow.
I'm curious to see what happens in the upcoming years.
Angela
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