Same old, same old. For your belief to be true last would have to be something besides last. Show me a verse that says there will be a trump blown after the last trump. It can't be done either accept what the verse says or deny the truth of it, the choice is yours.
Charlie -- Sorry to say, I think you are not accepting what the verses say. There will be a last trump of God that Paul tells us about and, later, a last trump of the 7 angels that John tells us about.
Paul tells us about the last trump. The last trump cannot have another after it regardless of who you think blows it. Last means last a simple truth you have chosen to ignore, in favor of traditional doctrine.
You say 1Th4:16-18 prove your point so let’s take a look and see if your bucket holds water.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Ok the verse says the trump of God, but it does not say who blows it. Why do you assume that God has to blow it? Have you considered the possibility that someone else blow’s God’s trump. God gives the order, God is the commander not the bugle boy!
Sorry Charlie, looks like you got a hole in your bucket! I can see why you make your assumption, unfortunately your assumption cannot be proven and it directly contradicts what the other verses state as indisputable facts. Last is still last!
Some will be accounted worthy to be resurrected/raptured, Luke 20:33-36 and 21:36.
Luke 20:33-36 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: but they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Some will not be accounted worthy to be given incorruptible bodies so they can rule and reign with the Lamb over the nations of the world, during the 1,000 years, from heaven.
So not only have you fallen into the pretrib trap but also the premil trap.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the
Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them
that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be
changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet
shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be
changed.
Rev 10:6 And swore by him that liveth forever and ever, who created heaven, and the
things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the
sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the
prophets.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven,
saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and
of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.
2Th1;7-10 tell us that we are taken to be with the Lord on the same day the wicked are judged, not seven years earlier!
1Cor15:52 says the last trump, so there can be no more after it.
Rev10:6 tells us at the 7th (last trump) there is time no more. If there is time no more how can you have a seven year period or a thousand year period? When did Christ’s reign begin? Are you a member in Christ’s kingdom? If so how can that be if He has no kingdom and is not yet reigning?
Rev 10:7 tells us that it is all over, nothing left, finished, end of story.
Rev11:15 tells us God reigns for ever and ever when the last trump sounds, not just a thousand years.
It’s been explained to you multiple times by multiple people, if you want to ignore a simple truth (last means last) in favor of traditional thinking I’ll not stand in your way, believe as you choose!
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Ron so true...the thing is...we are all called to teach the Gospel of Christ to the world, whether we believe pre, post, mid tribulation theory...and if one person can post something that will make someone who is a guest here, open the Word of God and read to see who is right and who is wrong in the theory of the tribulation..Then we should be rejoicing cause then the Word is getting to that person..and if it plants enough seeds in our minds, then we will seek and we will be prepared NO MATTER..which way it happens..
That is a good point Shep, But somehow I feel we don't converse about the Gospel of Christ enough on these boards. Yes there is a section for it, but the sections that get the most traffic are the ones concerning the end-time prophecies.
I guess that is to be expected considering this is Prophecy Talk. The name and layout of the forum give the appearance that prophecy is the primary focus of this forum. Now if that was not the intention of this forum then maybe changes should be made, but if that was the intention then we should expect the primary focus of the discussions to be about prophecy. JMHO
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God has not told us that the beasts represent kingdoms or empires and so we all cannot agree as you have suggested to this outcome where we can put a face to the beasts of the Bibles and so easily identify them.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Not only does God’s word tell us a beast is a kingdom history proves it. So those who disagree, disagree with God’s word.
Is there just one kingdom or empire that can be identified as the Terrible/Islamic Beast of Islam because when the rest of the world not under the influence of this beast has done that, this beast has changed its empire of residency and moved from from country to country, and nation to nation to the point where it is taking up residency in the domain of the other beasts so that it is impossible for the "peace loving nations" to deal with this threat and stamp it out.
Islam is a spiritual kingdom bent on world conquest. (doesn’t this beast affect the whole world?) It is to be expected that it will branch out from it’s original geographic location of the Old lion, bear and leopard kingdoms. (now occupied by Iran, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon) Spiritual kingdoms are not bound by geographic locations, so while there may be Muslim’s in more then one geographic location they all belong to the same spiritual kingdom that was given it’s seat power and authority by the dragon (satan).
But then we do know the scriptures, don't we?
Some do, but many have who don’t have only deluded themselves into believing they do.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I believe many that will hear the words “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” believe they know Scripture, but apparently not well enough to recognize that they were not born again.
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Be blessed!
