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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 05:36:31 AM »



"it would seem that we will have a simple transition from this present age into the next age and that all of mankind will enter into the dominion of Christ."


It would seem you don't know what you are talking about Tom.  At the end of the age when the power of the holy people is broken Christ will come and raise the saints (rapture) and they together with the angels will subdue the world for Christ the king.

"Let the saints rejoice in this honor and sing for joy on their beds.  May the praise of God be in their mouths and a double-edged sword in their hands,  to inflict vengeance on the nations and punishment on the peoples,  to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron."     Psalms 149:5-8 NIV

Smooth transition?

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 08:32:24 AM »

My father was convinced He would see the second coming before 1984, When it didnt happen he accepted he was wrong and moved on....As the years unfold before us things will happen that will show us we are right or we are wrong, If we are wrong the Times will spell out how we were wrong and my faith isnt affected by this, The only way my faith would take a direct hit would be if  I had a vision from God and I was told it would happen, And then it didnt, that would be rough.If Israel was completely wiped off the map, That would be rough, That has not happened!!! Ive had no visions or whispers from heaven. My faith isnt based on endtime developments.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 02:32:36 PM »



"it would seem that we will have a simple transition from this present age into the next age and that all of mankind will enter into the dominion of Christ."


It would seem you don't know what you are talking about Tom.  At the end of the age when the power of the holy people is broken Christ will come and raise the saints (rapture) and they together with the angels will subdue the world for Christ the king.

"Let the saints rejoice in this honor and sing for joy on their beds.  May the praise of God be in their mouths and a double-edged sword in their hands,  to inflict vengeance on the nations and punishment on the peoples,  to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron."     Psalms 149:5-8 NIV

Smooth transition?



Ronmorgen

It would seem to me that there is an error in some of your statement in your quoted post.

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10 Go through, go through the gates,
prepare the way for the people;
build up, build up the highway,
clear it of stones,
lift up an ensign over the peoples.
11 Behold, the Lord has proclaimed
to the end of the earth:
Say to the daughter of Zion,
"Behold, your salvation comes;
behold, his reward is with him,
and his recompense before him."
12 And they shall be called The holy people,
The redeemed of the Lord;
and you shall be called Sought out,
a city not forsaken.
Isaiah 62:10-12

17 O Lord, why dost thou make us err from thy ways
and harden our heart, so that we fear thee not?
Return for the sake of thy servants,
the tribes of thy heritage.
18 Thy holy people possessed thy sanctuary a little while;
our adversaries have trodden it down.

19 We have become like those over whom thou hast never ruled,
like those who are not called by thy name.
Isaiah 63:17-19

5 Then I Daniel looked, and behold, two others stood, one on this bank of the stream and one on that bank of the stream. 6 And I said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, "How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?" 7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished. 8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, "O my lord, what shall be the issue of these things?" 9 He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but those who are wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the continual burnt offering is taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 But go your way till the end; and you shall rest, and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days."
Daniel 12:5-13

Now if it seems to me that the nation of Gog together with many other nations is to come up against the “Holy people” in Jerusalem about 3,500 years {based on what we know now}, after Daniel received this final recorded prophecy in the Book of Daniel.  If that is so then the time, times and a half is not associated in any way with half of the week that a covenant is made with many people mentioned in Daniel 9:27.  Revelations 20:7-10 talks of this time and it is God who sends down fire from heaven to consume these people who have marched up against the City of Zion and caused the Holy People to break their clasped hands in worship as fear undoes their resolve to continually worship God.  Is this not the time that Jesus spoke of?

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3 But that same night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, 4 "Go and tell my servant David, 'Thus says the Lord: You shall not build me a house to dwell in. 5 For I have not dwelt in a house since the day I led up Israel to this day, but I have gone from tent to tent and from dwelling to dwelling. 6 In all places where I have moved with all Israel, did I speak a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd my people, saying, "Why have you not built me a house of cedar?"' 7 Now therefore thus shall you say to my servant David, 'Thus says the Lord of hosts, I took you from the pasture, from following the sheep, that you should be prince over my people Israel; 8 and I have been with you wherever you went, and have cut off all your enemies from before you; and I will make for you a name, like the name of the great ones of the earth. 9 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in their own place, and be disturbed no more; and violent men shall waste them no more, as formerly, 10 from the time that I appointed judges over my people Israel; and I will subdue all your enemies. Moreover I declare to you that the Lord will build you a house. 11 When your days are fulfilled to go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son; I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from him who was before you, 14 but I will confirm him in my house and in my kingdom forever and his throne shall be established forever.'" 15 In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.
1 Chronicles 17:3-15

Now when we read the word “forever” in this Chronicles passage, God is talking of Christ and a time in the distant future when He will accomplish these things.  God said that he would subdue the enemies of the Holy people and does not include “us” even as helpers to do so.  God does not want us to damage His Glory and His Holiness and thus profane it.

For people, there will be no transformation of our physical bodies as we transverse the demarcation of the end of this present age and the beginning of the next, “Millennium” age.  In fact most of us will miss the transition from this age to the next and it will not be until all has been accomplished that we will realise this.

Now Ron I am not in the practice of blowing bubbles while taking a bath nor am I doing that now in this thread. Nor do I need, mint, Cummings or dill to treat any symptoms associated with bad food.  

My views are based firmly on scripture and because of my faith I do not fear the tribulation that is before us.  I do not approach scripture from a position of fear but with excitement as I observe God doing His thing and all that I can do is to watch and applaud Him as He accomplishes His purposes for mankind, myself included.

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 09:04:31 PM »

 June 14, 2010 Israel Today Staff

Israel, Palestinians and Egypt oppose lifiting Gaza blockade
 
That's right. It's not only Israel that opposes lifting the partial blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in the face of mounting international pressure. The Palestinian Authority and Egypt, too, recognize that such a move would be disastrous for the region.
The European Union was scheduled to meet on Monday and use the recent deadly Israeli raid on a so-called "humanitarian aid" flotilla to Gaza to escalate pressure on Israel to lift the embargo entirely.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=21306

Also there is the moves Turkey is making to address the gaza blockade- this is a excerpt from a premium article from Debka files - Turkey is Gog prophetically ... cited in Ez.38&39
“Turkish PM Recep Erdogan is clearly  spoiling for more trouble with Israel and  is escalating crisis rather than de-escalate  after Rachel Corrie incident..”
 
“Erdogan is moving Turkish troops to the  Turkish end of Cyprus [150km from Israel]   with air, marine & naval units for combat  with Israel over Gaza..”

http://www.debka.com
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2010, 09:08:58 AM »

Theirs obviously a spirit of delusion that has descended upon the world, It its disconcerting to see it in action!!!
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 11:52:18 AM »

Dear Friends:

The fall-out from the Gaza affair could well lead to a confrontation that will be halted with a covenant, a temparory 'cease fire' agreement', that wll prove to be the covenant that will confirmed for one week, or 7 years, to start the tribulation period.

It is time to look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Luke 21:28. 

This redemption, I believe, will be the redemption of the body spoken of by Paul in Romans 8:23.,

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

God Bless you.  Charlie.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2010, 01:07:02 PM »

This weekend Iran's flotilla along with Turkey and possibly Hezbollah should reach the blockade, Either Obama will us diplomacy to head this off at the pass or he will sit and take a wait and see attitude, Already prominent Democrat and Republican congressmen are condemning Turkey.

I feel there will be some last minute wrangling that will stop this short of a war. Keep a eye on the news this weekend.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2010, 01:29:27 PM »



I feel there will be some last minute wrangling that will stop this short of a war. 


Or it may flare up into the great war of the day of the Lord. Just be ready for all possibilities.

 
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 02:00:18 PM »

Absolutely Ron!!! For those who believe in the rapture and those who dont its time to reach out to those you know with questionable faith, Because the clock is ticking,
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 02:10:47 PM »

Many are looking for a covenant with Israel but the Daniel 9:27 verse, talks of a strong covenant being made with many people.  If in the last year, the many cannot come to agreement on climate change after many "weeks" of trying, then why are we expecting that the diplomatic process will be any different because the subject of the this covenant that you are expecting is Israel.  The many will first consider the implications for themselves and whether or not their is any down side within the covenant that will reduce their trading ability and power.

I would recomend that you not hold your breath until this happens, even if it is a near future event as you you will expire before the many people will agree with each other.

Daniel 9:27: - And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Now let me ask a question of all of those who are of the veiw that this is an iminent event, "When is the decreed end poured out on the desolator?

Is it soon or is it in the distant future at the vanishing point in our/man's history?
 

 
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 05:09:52 PM »

Thursday, June 17, 2010 Israel Today Staff
US lawmakers warn Turkey to back off Israel
 US lawmakers are getting fed up with Turkey's continuing antagonism toward Israel, which escalated in the wake of Israel's raid on a Gaza blockade-busting flotilla this month, during which nine Turkish citizens with ties to terrorist organizations were killed.

A number of members of the US House of Representatives warned in interviews this week that Turkey will suffer consequences if it continues down this path.
In March of this year, a bill recognizing Turkey's genocide against the Armenians during and after World War I passed a House committee by a single vote. But many congressmen who previously opposed calling Turkey out publicly for that past sin now say they may support the bill when it comes before the full House of Representatives in the near future.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=21338
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 08:56:41 PM »

C.G.   I hope your father is still with us because he may still see it come to pass.

I'm sure that the end is not a 1,000 yrs or 100s of yrs in the future. things are moving faster then most people think.  6 months ago, if someone said that Turkey would be the enemy of Israel in 6 months would you have believed them? they have been friends and partners for many yrs.

My point is that I know that I will be alive when Jesus returns.  because of the rule changes for P.T. in Aug.09 I don't think I should go into detail on it in this thread.  But in Apr 09 I went into a lot of detail on the reason for that belief. in the new member post on page 7 Pompadour.  I think it would be permitted to read it there.

I think it may restore your hope and your Fathers belief. that we are indeed near the end.


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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2010, 06:03:36 AM »

My dad knows all the answers now, He passed away in 94.

Lots of things are coming together but we must be careful not to fill the holes in prophecy with enthusiasm. Much like they did 30 years ago. The reality of the situation is there may be some time before we really can be certain just how close we are. This weekend could tell us a lot or it could pass quietly and we know nothing more then we know today. We must prepare for the long haul....And be patient, and prepared.
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2010, 05:34:46 AM »

 Peres reiterates: Gaza blockade could end tomorrow

The world accuses Israel of imposing an inhumane and unjust blockade on the Gaza Strip. But Israeli leaders stress that the blockade could end in a single day if only Gaza's terrorist rulers would renounce their ways and come to the negotiating table.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2010, 07:03:39 AM »

It looks like the US, Europe have averted the immediate threat of war over the Blockade. Hezbollah still threatens to burst the Blockade but I think its posturing, There not brave enough to act alone.
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